So Fred, you're looking for thoughts on a pretty complicated set of occurrences. Firstly, there seems to be no doubt that Putin own Trump through kompromat, the degree of which we may never know fully, until Trump betrays Putin publicly, then the beans will be spilled.
On the Trojan Horse theme: Trump gained trust enough to get elected and therefore "Get Inside". From there he has gone overboard forcing the system to UNRAVEL through putting incompetent sycophants in charge of every function in his government, cutting staff by hundreds of thousands, and cancelling every program that was in place to contain corruption. He has essentially gutted the organization.
What I haven't been able to figure out is "what is the endgame of these actions?". I cannot see a good outcome for Trump. There must be another shoe to fall for him to complete the evil plan he has in mind
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As for PP, fortunately for us Canadians, the power he seemed to have a year ago is virtually gone and he just looks like he's totally out of step with what we need in the country right now. His pathetic criticisms are tiresome and if he cared about Canada whatsoever, he would be trying to support Carney in these very difficult times instead of simply stirring up political garbage.
This type of pattern observation is used in diagnosing mentally unhealthy people so transferring this observation to politics is no stretch. The goal is to determine if the behavior is healthy for self, other people, and in your example, systems.
Much to be said about your theory. Highly thought provoking. The more you look at what might be plausible could in reality be possible. Disruption brings transformation but not all transformations are for the greater good but may be geared to benefit only a select few. Be aware of those disruptors as they may well be a Trojan Horse with nefarious intent.
“Chaos theory says small inputs can create big, unpredictable outcomes…” i think that’s small changes to the basic equation change the entire structure, but I’m no expert. In social terms, it would be a relationship structure scaled up to the point that the base structure can no longer support the combined mass, and the entire edifice collapses. Again, I’m theorizing with too little knowledge. If I had continued in philosophy, I would liked to have studied the influence of chaos theory on the socal sciences.
Very interesting thoughts Fred. I have always known/thought that the trumpet & putin are in bed together, also pp & trumpie, never put the 3 together though, but, highly possible, all 3 are mental cases in my opinion.
Thank you Fred. I have just been "quietly observing", Trumble & Putine for a couple of years now, when they are together or apart. I think they "plan" doing things to each other to throw everyone off, but, you can't miss the faces. PP & the whitehouse
troll are definitely connected, if PP would have gotten in, I feel pretty sure we would be a 51st state by now. I could be wrong, I was wrong once before haha
Awesome peace. Patterns matter more than we think. And recognizing the patterns is the beginning of critical thinking. Thank you for writing to help us develop our critical thinking.
Most people observing Trump's behaviour both internally but even more so toward Ukraine and Europe in general.
However, I still think Trump is something even more useful to Putin than a mole. Trump genuinely admires Putin and sees him as a role model. So no provable connection. Just a pattern to copy, with the added layer of disruptive behaviour making him the perfect tool to destroy from within.
If anybody has anything even more serious on Trump than what the Epstein files are assumed to contain it will be the Israelis. Trump is clearly their puppet. The only thing that makes me doubt that is the botched attempt at retrieving enriched Uranium. If the Israelis had been deep into that I think they would have known about the Iranian capability of downing F15 ++++.
Very good point about consistency. And looking at how Trump has been behaving towards Orban, AfD, Maduro's replacement, etc. that too has been consistent. That pulls in the direction of voluntary behaviour and admiration. The varying messages vs who encouraged who / who lead who with respect to Israel makes me think he is on a leash.
Well, think about this - beyond Epstein’s gross, malignant proclivities, what if he was the one connecting everything and everyone that’s led to where we are now? What if that’s why they won’t release the rest of the Epstein Files?
If you dontbmind telling what ai tools are you using. I just spent a couple hours with chat gpt. Thevquestion was what are the changes that Canada could expect in the trade relationship between Canada abd the US should the democrats get o trol of congress. I got nothing but crickets. Obfuscation and verbage structured to look important but lacking substance and thought. It was like an hour with Caroline Leavitt. It was fun to get chat gpt to correct itself a bunch of times and detail where thr script provided was divorced from reality so I need better AI to chat with. Help!
So Fred, you're looking for thoughts on a pretty complicated set of occurrences. Firstly, there seems to be no doubt that Putin own Trump through kompromat, the degree of which we may never know fully, until Trump betrays Putin publicly, then the beans will be spilled.
On the Trojan Horse theme: Trump gained trust enough to get elected and therefore "Get Inside". From there he has gone overboard forcing the system to UNRAVEL through putting incompetent sycophants in charge of every function in his government, cutting staff by hundreds of thousands, and cancelling every program that was in place to contain corruption. He has essentially gutted the organization.
What I haven't been able to figure out is "what is the endgame of these actions?". I cannot see a good outcome for Trump. There must be another shoe to fall for him to complete the evil plan he has in mind
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As for PP, fortunately for us Canadians, the power he seemed to have a year ago is virtually gone and he just looks like he's totally out of step with what we need in the country right now. His pathetic criticisms are tiresome and if he cared about Canada whatsoever, he would be trying to support Carney in these very difficult times instead of simply stirring up political garbage.
Appreciate you laying all that out, Frank... you’ve clearly thought it through.
The only place I’m careful is right at the start…
where it shifts from “this feels like a pattern” into “there seems to be no doubt.”
That’s the line I try not to cross in this piece.
We don’t actually have verified proof of control, kompromat, or a coordinated endgame.
What we do have is behavior, decisions, and outcomes that people interpret very differently depending on where they’re standing.
Your Trojan Horse angle is interesting though...
especially the idea of “get inside and unravel.”
That’s something people can look at and debate based on what they’re seeing, without needing to assume intent.
On the “endgame” piece… I think that’s where it gets murky for everyone.
Sometimes what looks like a master plan turns out to be competing agendas, missteps, or just raw political strategy playing out in public.
And sometimes people read a pattern into it because the consequences feel too big to be accidental.
As for Pierre Poilievre... same thing for me.
People see him through completely different lenses depending on what they value or what they think the country needs right now.
That’s kind of the whole point of the article.
Not to land on a conclusion…
but to step back and ask...
Are we seeing a coordinated pattern?
Or are we connecting dots that don’t actually belong together?
Genuinely appreciate you adding your take...
this is exactly the kind of thinking that makes the discussion worth having.
This type of pattern observation is used in diagnosing mentally unhealthy people so transferring this observation to politics is no stretch. The goal is to determine if the behavior is healthy for self, other people, and in your example, systems.
That’s a really interesting way to look at it, Zoe.
Pattern recognition is exactly what people use to make sense of behavior...
whether it’s individuals or systems.
I think the tricky part is where observation turns into diagnosis.
With people, that line is already hard enough… with politics, it gets even fuzzier.
For me, this is more about asking...
What are the consistent outcomes of these behaviors…
and are they strengthening the system or putting strain on it?
That part feels worth paying attention to.
Much to be said about your theory. Highly thought provoking. The more you look at what might be plausible could in reality be possible. Disruption brings transformation but not all transformations are for the greater good but may be geared to benefit only a select few. Be aware of those disruptors as they may well be a Trojan Horse with nefarious intent.
Appreciate that, Carole.
You’re right... disruption can lead to transformation…
but not all transformation moves things in a direction people expect, or even benefit from.
The only place I stay careful is not jumping from plausible to probable too quickly.
For me, it’s less about deciding what this is…
and more about staying aware of how disruption plays out over time.
That’s where the real signal shows up.
Haven’t you more or less described chaos theory?
Fair question.
Chaos theory says small inputs can create big, unpredictable outcomes…
What I’m poking at is slightly different...
what if some of those “unpredictable” outcomes keep landing in the same direction?
That’s where it gets interesting.
“Chaos theory says small inputs can create big, unpredictable outcomes…” i think that’s small changes to the basic equation change the entire structure, but I’m no expert. In social terms, it would be a relationship structure scaled up to the point that the base structure can no longer support the combined mass, and the entire edifice collapses. Again, I’m theorizing with too little knowledge. If I had continued in philosophy, I would liked to have studied the influence of chaos theory on the socal sciences.
That’s a sharp take.
Scaling chaos into social systems is where it really gets unpredictable...
lots of moving parts, lots of feedback loops.
I think the key question is whether it’s true randomness…
or if there’s a consistent direction showing up over time.
That’s the part I’m watching.
Very interesting thoughts Fred. I have always known/thought that the trumpet & putin are in bed together, also pp & trumpie, never put the 3 together though, but, highly possible, all 3 are mental cases in my opinion.
Appreciate you jumping in, Patsy.
I get why it can feel that way when you look at certain patterns and headlines over time.
The only place I stay careful is not turning that feeling into certainty or labels.
It’s really easy for discussions like this to slide from observation into judgment pretty quickly.
For me, this is less about who people are…
and more about what their actions consistently lead to.
That’s the part I think is worth watching... without rushing to conclusions.
Thank you Fred. I have just been "quietly observing", Trumble & Putine for a couple of years now, when they are together or apart. I think they "plan" doing things to each other to throw everyone off, but, you can't miss the faces. PP & the whitehouse
troll are definitely connected, if PP would have gotten in, I feel pretty sure we would be a 51st state by now. I could be wrong, I was wrong once before haha
Appreciate that, Patsy.
“Quietly observing” is exactly the right approach...
I just try to be careful about reading too much intent into moments we can’t verify.
Patterns over time tend to tell a clearer story than any single interaction.
And I think we’ve all been wrong at least once…
some of us just stopped counting. 😄
Hahaha I stop counting at 1, in certain instances! LOL
Awesome peace. Patterns matter more than we think. And recognizing the patterns is the beginning of critical thinking. Thank you for writing to help us develop our critical thinking.
Appreciate that, Marie.
I agree... patterns are often where critical thinking starts…
the trick is not stopping there.
Not every pattern points to a clear answer, but it does give us something to look at a little more closely.
That’s really all I was aiming for here.
Most people observing Trump's behaviour both internally but even more so toward Ukraine and Europe in general.
However, I still think Trump is something even more useful to Putin than a mole. Trump genuinely admires Putin and sees him as a role model. So no provable connection. Just a pattern to copy, with the added layer of disruptive behaviour making him the perfect tool to destroy from within.
If anybody has anything even more serious on Trump than what the Epstein files are assumed to contain it will be the Israelis. Trump is clearly their puppet. The only thing that makes me doubt that is the botched attempt at retrieving enriched Uranium. If the Israelis had been deep into that I think they would have known about the Iranian capability of downing F15 ++++.
Appreciate the depth you’re bringing to this, Peter... there’s a lot in there.
What I find interesting is how many different directions people take once they start trying to explain the same set of behaviors.
Some see influence from one place, some from another, some see admiration, some see strategy.
The only place I stay careful is where it starts stacking into a single, all-encompassing explanation.
At that point, it becomes really hard to separate what we can actually observe from what we’re filling in to make the picture complete.
Your point about admiration vs control is a good example...
those can look very similar from the outside, but they’re very different things.
For me, this keeps coming back to the same question...
Are we seeing a consistent pattern in outcomes…
or are we building a narrative to connect a very complex set of events?
That’s the line I try to stay on.
Very good point about consistency. And looking at how Trump has been behaving towards Orban, AfD, Maduro's replacement, etc. that too has been consistent. That pulls in the direction of voluntary behaviour and admiration. The varying messages vs who encouraged who / who lead who with respect to Israel makes me think he is on a leash.
M7ssing fron 1st para : .....have been wondering about Trump being under Putin's control.
Its totally not a coincidence
Well, think about this - beyond Epstein’s gross, malignant proclivities, what if he was the one connecting everything and everyone that’s led to where we are now? What if that’s why they won’t release the rest of the Epstein Files?
Appreciate the thought, Barbara...
that’s definitely one of those “connect-the-dots” ideas people wrestle with.
The Epstein situation leaves a lot of unanswered questions...
so it’s not surprising people try to make sense of it by looking for a bigger network behind it.
Where I stay cautious is jumping from “there are gaps we don’t fully understand” to “there must be a single thread connecting everything.”
Sometimes there are connections.
Sometimes there are just overlapping circles that look connected from a distance.
For me, it comes back to the same place as the article...
What can we actually observe and verify…
and where are we filling in the blanks ourselves?
That line matters more than ever.
Oh my no. No, no, no.
Putin is not at the top.
The topmost human in this great reset is called Klaus Schwab
Trump, putin, Justa Turdo and all the rest of the world leaders are what he calls his “useful idiots”
Those citizens who follow the useful idiots are useful to him as well.
They are owned by Schwab. Everyone going along with war and fighting and hate are owned and manipulated by him
We are in his great reset
You're doing what he wants….
Do some research on Klaus Schwab
That's the human at the top of all this crap going on
Above him…oh yes .. that's “who” you don't see.
If you dontbmind telling what ai tools are you using. I just spent a couple hours with chat gpt. Thevquestion was what are the changes that Canada could expect in the trade relationship between Canada abd the US should the democrats get o trol of congress. I got nothing but crickets. Obfuscation and verbage structured to look important but lacking substance and thought. It was like an hour with Caroline Leavitt. It was fun to get chat gpt to correct itself a bunch of times and detail where thr script provided was divorced from reality so I need better AI to chat with. Help!