The Conservatives are warning Canadians about record immigration. The actual numbers tell a more interesting story. And Ottawa has some explaining to do, too.
I wish that we had a serious, functional, opposition leader and party. We certainly don't under Poilievre.
I'm mostly behind Carney on his path and plan, but an opposition that is actively trying to work for the country is important. There are real questions to be asked. Real policies that should have legitimate debate. This performative culture war grandstanding does nothing to help anyone. PP & crew don't seem to have learned the lesson that the majority of Canadians simply aren't interested in the MAGA style politics of the US.
Stop screaming about everything and show us the plan for what you would do instead.
I wish Jack Layton was still with us. Or that we might be able to tempt Wab Kinew to throw his hat into the federal ring. He's who I'm watching.
So true! A good opposition debates ideas and presents reasons why they believe policies are wrong or dangerous. They offer alternatives. How can we form rational opinions when our “leaders” sneer, snipe, and naysay every single action by the government in office?
Excellent points. PP is a professional screamer. That’s all he has ever done in his political life. Noisy and annoying little mosquito. Please, no maple MAGA. But on the other hand, perhaps he is easy to ignore so the PM and his cabinet can achieve their long range goals for Canada.
To me, there should be some logical flow to the numbers:
- How many immigrants do we need to replace workers who are retiring, etc.? We need those workers to a) do the work and b) to pay taxes, etc. so that people can actually retire (the new workers building the infrastructure that will allow the retirements, etc. So we might need something like 10 new workers for every person retiring (I have no idea what's needed, but for me, that's the starting point here).
- Once we know how many people are needed -- and I suspect that's the basis for the 380,000 + 200,000 (and I'm not sure where the "reverse brain-drain" campaign - where Canada is trying to attract (American) knowledge workers/academics to Canada - fits into these numbers -- or are they another pool on top of these?), then the next question is "what infrastructure/support is needed for these new permanent residents?
- What's the Federal (then Provincial, then Municipal) plan to get that infrastructure built? Houses are relatively easy (can be built in less than 6 months - though who's paying for it, etc., etc.?). But sewers, water, electricity, etc. might take five years or so to be put in place, if it doesn't exist already.
So the discussion isn't just simply "why are we letting in more people?" The answer is in my first bullet (and the CPC's know this, they just don't like immigrants for some reason. And we can't wait 20 years for non-immigrant kids to grow up). We need to see budgets actively financing the infrastructure, along with the economic pivots, etc.
Thanks Fred! PP as always is running his mouth about Carney again, to distract from the dark secrets he has with DS & all the trips they made to Washington, learning how to hand Alberta, possibly even Canada, over to the orange greaseball. I see $$$ signs here! Who would be dumb enough to vote PP in? A constant whiner! I believe new legislation should be brought in, as someone else has mentioned, limiting the amount of terms that the opposition can stay in power, after all, Prime Ministers get 2 runs at it, why is the opposition a permanent fixture? Or, so it seems.
Thank you for pointing out there was nothing hidden. I mean if this is all PP can invent to make himself look relevant…well, he isn’t even good at that. Nuff said.
We all have concerns around immigration. We also have an aging population, we are not having children at a fast enough rate to replace our numbers and keep in mind it takes at about 18-25 years to raise a child before they meaningfully contribute to the work force. So a full time job with education and credentials. It takes a long time to grow a doctor, master electrician, plumbers, CEOs, etc…think about it….LOL
If we have 200,000 people already in the system working here waiting for their immigration to finalize we can hardly count them as new.
Do I think the immigration system needs work...more than likely. Do I think immigration is out of control…not so much. It has dramatically reduced. That’s good. They are trying to find a magic number…there isn’t one. You need what you need.
Let’s keep in mind about those past immigration numbers…Ukraine went to war, there were problems in other countries too. There was a humanitarian crisis all over the world. Countries everywhere were taking in millions of refugees. Canada had to do their part. We did the right thing…it had consequences. Many countries are still dealing with it. We didn’t just randomly invite in people for no reason at all.
I think our gov is showing they are adjusting, being fair to those already in the system, keeping an eye on the need for skilled workers, etc.
As usual, PP is pointing out we have immigration…thank you for your invaluable service…proving every day you are becoming more and more irrelevant. LOL
Have you noticed the pattern…PP complains about something the gov is doing or not doing…within about two days the lib make a press release addressing that exact issue. When you see the pattern it is actually funny…
As an example. He wants the libs to reduce the gas tax, the next day or maybe two later, there is an announcement cutting the tax until January…the libs have been planning that for a while, they didn’t just come up with it in a day because of PP. sometimes the libs have already released the new plan and PP just announcing it should be done…the guy is a day late and a dollar short consistently. You think he would learn to pay more attention to what is actually going on around him…it is his job by the way. But then again we don’t have high expectations for the George Costanza of politics. LOL
Mr Ferguson, you might want to check with Substack. As I read here on my SG25, orange “There was a error liking this comment” pops up. The phone is flat on a table. My hands are not touching the phone each time. I’m wondering if particular sites are being targeted? This happens on Dean Blundell, Caroline Boudakian, and other “liberal” sites, not all Canadian. Other bugs are occurring, too, randomly, such as losing comments I’m working on when I use a search engine. I have to start over… without fact checking. This does NOT happen on, say, Quora, or YouTube. It’s a Substack issue. Thank you for letting me interject.
I wish that we had a serious, functional, opposition leader and party. We certainly don't under Poilievre.
I'm mostly behind Carney on his path and plan, but an opposition that is actively trying to work for the country is important. There are real questions to be asked. Real policies that should have legitimate debate. This performative culture war grandstanding does nothing to help anyone. PP & crew don't seem to have learned the lesson that the majority of Canadians simply aren't interested in the MAGA style politics of the US.
Stop screaming about everything and show us the plan for what you would do instead.
I wish Jack Layton was still with us. Or that we might be able to tempt Wab Kinew to throw his hat into the federal ring. He's who I'm watching.
Thanks for doing the heavy lifting Fred. I do admit I get distracted reading through 30 pages of gov documents so thanks for the summary. Like Trump’s comedy show on “60 minutes” I view Poilievre and his band of morons in the same light. He’s not serious, he’s not a contender he’s house sitting Stornaway until a serious contender comes along.
Mr Ferguson, you might want to check with Substack. As I read here on my SG25, orange “There was a error liking this comment” pops up. The phone is flat on a table. My hands are not touching the phone each time. I’m wondering if particular sites are being targeted? This happens on Dean Blundell, Caroline Boudakian, and other “liberal” sites, not all Canadian. Other bugs are occurring, too, randomly, such as losing comments I’m working on when I use a search engine. I have to start over… without fact checking. This does NOT happen on, say, Quora, or YouTube. It’s a Substack issue. Thank you for letting me interject.
Poilievre has to mold and twist everything to fit into his Rage Farming schtick, it's the only format he knows, but it's oh so tiring now. I know some now consider him a Liberal asset for the next election but it's hard to imagine him being around for that long.
Conservatives are exhausting with their gotcha politics and painting everything shady. It can't be taken seriously. If these people already here in Canada have housing, jobs, etc., then adding them to permanent resident numbers helps the feds and provincial government access proper funding models to include them. So makes sense to “count” them if you are trying to meet needs - but yes would be good if they explained that. “Not announced” is a lot different from “hidden”.
Mr Ferguson, you might want to check with Substack. As I read here on my SG25, orange “There was a error liking this comment” pops up. The phone is flat on a table. My hands are not touching the phone each time. I’m wondering if particular sites are being targeted? This happens on Dean Blundell, Caroline Boudakian, and other “liberal” sites, not all Canadian. Other bugs are occurring, too, randomly, such as losing comments I’m working on when I use a search engine. I have to start over… without fact checking. This does NOT happen on, say, Quora, or YouTube. It’s a Substack issue. Thank you for letting me interject.
Mr Ferguson, you might want to check with Substack. As I read here on my SG25, orange “There was a error liking this comment” pops up. The phone is flat on a table. My hands are not touching the phone each time. I’m wondering if particular sites are being targeted? This happens on Dean Blundell, Caroline Boudakian, and other “liberal” sites, not all Canadian. Other bugs are occurring, too, randomly, such as losing comments I’m working on when I use a search engine. I have to start over… without fact checking. This does NOT happen on, say, Quora, or YouTube. It’s a Substack issue. Thank you for letting me interject.
I wish that we had a serious, functional, opposition leader and party. We certainly don't under Poilievre.
I'm mostly behind Carney on his path and plan, but an opposition that is actively trying to work for the country is important. There are real questions to be asked. Real policies that should have legitimate debate. This performative culture war grandstanding does nothing to help anyone. PP & crew don't seem to have learned the lesson that the majority of Canadians simply aren't interested in the MAGA style politics of the US.
Stop screaming about everything and show us the plan for what you would do instead.
I wish Jack Layton was still with us. Or that we might be able to tempt Wab Kinew to throw his hat into the federal ring. He's who I'm watching.
So true! A good opposition debates ideas and presents reasons why they believe policies are wrong or dangerous. They offer alternatives. How can we form rational opinions when our “leaders” sneer, snipe, and naysay every single action by the government in office?
Excellent points. PP is a professional screamer. That’s all he has ever done in his political life. Noisy and annoying little mosquito. Please, no maple MAGA. But on the other hand, perhaps he is easy to ignore so the PM and his cabinet can achieve their long range goals for Canada.
Excellent article, as always, Fred.
To me, there should be some logical flow to the numbers:
- How many immigrants do we need to replace workers who are retiring, etc.? We need those workers to a) do the work and b) to pay taxes, etc. so that people can actually retire (the new workers building the infrastructure that will allow the retirements, etc. So we might need something like 10 new workers for every person retiring (I have no idea what's needed, but for me, that's the starting point here).
- Once we know how many people are needed -- and I suspect that's the basis for the 380,000 + 200,000 (and I'm not sure where the "reverse brain-drain" campaign - where Canada is trying to attract (American) knowledge workers/academics to Canada - fits into these numbers -- or are they another pool on top of these?), then the next question is "what infrastructure/support is needed for these new permanent residents?
- What's the Federal (then Provincial, then Municipal) plan to get that infrastructure built? Houses are relatively easy (can be built in less than 6 months - though who's paying for it, etc., etc.?). But sewers, water, electricity, etc. might take five years or so to be put in place, if it doesn't exist already.
So the discussion isn't just simply "why are we letting in more people?" The answer is in my first bullet (and the CPC's know this, they just don't like immigrants for some reason. And we can't wait 20 years for non-immigrant kids to grow up). We need to see budgets actively financing the infrastructure, along with the economic pivots, etc.
I would argue that CPC doesn’t like immigrants of a certain skin tone.
Thanks Fred! PP as always is running his mouth about Carney again, to distract from the dark secrets he has with DS & all the trips they made to Washington, learning how to hand Alberta, possibly even Canada, over to the orange greaseball. I see $$$ signs here! Who would be dumb enough to vote PP in? A constant whiner! I believe new legislation should be brought in, as someone else has mentioned, limiting the amount of terms that the opposition can stay in power, after all, Prime Ministers get 2 runs at it, why is the opposition a permanent fixture? Or, so it seems.
Thank you for pointing out there was nothing hidden. I mean if this is all PP can invent to make himself look relevant…well, he isn’t even good at that. Nuff said.
We all have concerns around immigration. We also have an aging population, we are not having children at a fast enough rate to replace our numbers and keep in mind it takes at about 18-25 years to raise a child before they meaningfully contribute to the work force. So a full time job with education and credentials. It takes a long time to grow a doctor, master electrician, plumbers, CEOs, etc…think about it….LOL
If we have 200,000 people already in the system working here waiting for their immigration to finalize we can hardly count them as new.
Do I think the immigration system needs work...more than likely. Do I think immigration is out of control…not so much. It has dramatically reduced. That’s good. They are trying to find a magic number…there isn’t one. You need what you need.
Let’s keep in mind about those past immigration numbers…Ukraine went to war, there were problems in other countries too. There was a humanitarian crisis all over the world. Countries everywhere were taking in millions of refugees. Canada had to do their part. We did the right thing…it had consequences. Many countries are still dealing with it. We didn’t just randomly invite in people for no reason at all.
I think our gov is showing they are adjusting, being fair to those already in the system, keeping an eye on the need for skilled workers, etc.
As usual, PP is pointing out we have immigration…thank you for your invaluable service…proving every day you are becoming more and more irrelevant. LOL
Yes good reminders, appreciate your clear thinking
Well pp does struggle with reading and comprehension
Have you noticed the pattern…PP complains about something the gov is doing or not doing…within about two days the lib make a press release addressing that exact issue. When you see the pattern it is actually funny…
As an example. He wants the libs to reduce the gas tax, the next day or maybe two later, there is an announcement cutting the tax until January…the libs have been planning that for a while, they didn’t just come up with it in a day because of PP. sometimes the libs have already released the new plan and PP just announcing it should be done…the guy is a day late and a dollar short consistently. You think he would learn to pay more attention to what is actually going on around him…it is his job by the way. But then again we don’t have high expectations for the George Costanza of politics. LOL
Mr Ferguson, you might want to check with Substack. As I read here on my SG25, orange “There was a error liking this comment” pops up. The phone is flat on a table. My hands are not touching the phone each time. I’m wondering if particular sites are being targeted? This happens on Dean Blundell, Caroline Boudakian, and other “liberal” sites, not all Canadian. Other bugs are occurring, too, randomly, such as losing comments I’m working on when I use a search engine. I have to start over… without fact checking. This does NOT happen on, say, Quora, or YouTube. It’s a Substack issue. Thank you for letting me interject.
David, i’m having same problem. 3X that message came up, just writing this.
Judy your comment has come up four times on my feed. No problem here.
David, i’m having same problem. 3X that message came up, just writing this.
David, i’m having same problem. 3X that message came up, just writing this.
David, i’m having same problem. 3X that message came up, just writing this.
I wish that we had a serious, functional, opposition leader and party. We certainly don't under Poilievre.
I'm mostly behind Carney on his path and plan, but an opposition that is actively trying to work for the country is important. There are real questions to be asked. Real policies that should have legitimate debate. This performative culture war grandstanding does nothing to help anyone. PP & crew don't seem to have learned the lesson that the majority of Canadians simply aren't interested in the MAGA style politics of the US.
Stop screaming about everything and show us the plan for what you would do instead.
I wish Jack Layton was still with us. Or that we might be able to tempt Wab Kinew to throw his hat into the federal ring. He's who I'm watching.
Poilievre is lying to the Canadian people ? Gee, what a surprise !
😒
Thanks for doing the heavy lifting Fred. I do admit I get distracted reading through 30 pages of gov documents so thanks for the summary. Like Trump’s comedy show on “60 minutes” I view Poilievre and his band of morons in the same light. He’s not serious, he’s not a contender he’s house sitting Stornaway until a serious contender comes along.
Mr Ferguson, you might want to check with Substack. As I read here on my SG25, orange “There was a error liking this comment” pops up. The phone is flat on a table. My hands are not touching the phone each time. I’m wondering if particular sites are being targeted? This happens on Dean Blundell, Caroline Boudakian, and other “liberal” sites, not all Canadian. Other bugs are occurring, too, randomly, such as losing comments I’m working on when I use a search engine. I have to start over… without fact checking. This does NOT happen on, say, Quora, or YouTube. It’s a Substack issue. Thank you for letting me interject.
Omg Fred, I'm sorry, my Internet is freaking out and repeating my messages. Please delete them!!!
Poilievre has to mold and twist everything to fit into his Rage Farming schtick, it's the only format he knows, but it's oh so tiring now. I know some now consider him a Liberal asset for the next election but it's hard to imagine him being around for that long.
Conservatives are exhausting with their gotcha politics and painting everything shady. It can't be taken seriously. If these people already here in Canada have housing, jobs, etc., then adding them to permanent resident numbers helps the feds and provincial government access proper funding models to include them. So makes sense to “count” them if you are trying to meet needs - but yes would be good if they explained that. “Not announced” is a lot different from “hidden”.
simple explanation as to why they seemed hidden: PP couldn't find his ass with both hands and a flashlight.
Mr Ferguson, you might want to check with Substack. As I read here on my SG25, orange “There was a error liking this comment” pops up. The phone is flat on a table. My hands are not touching the phone each time. I’m wondering if particular sites are being targeted? This happens on Dean Blundell, Caroline Boudakian, and other “liberal” sites, not all Canadian. Other bugs are occurring, too, randomly, such as losing comments I’m working on when I use a search engine. I have to start over… without fact checking. This does NOT happen on, say, Quora, or YouTube. It’s a Substack issue. Thank you for letting me interject.
Mr Ferguson, you might want to check with Substack. As I read here on my SG25, orange “There was a error liking this comment” pops up. The phone is flat on a table. My hands are not touching the phone each time. I’m wondering if particular sites are being targeted? This happens on Dean Blundell, Caroline Boudakian, and other “liberal” sites, not all Canadian. Other bugs are occurring, too, randomly, such as losing comments I’m working on when I use a search engine. I have to start over… without fact checking. This does NOT happen on, say, Quora, or YouTube. It’s a Substack issue. Thank you for letting me interject.