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SouthRockOcean's avatar

Just for kicks I prompted CLAUDE with your EXACT (copy pasted) input-quiry: here's what I got back from Anthropic:

I've got the picture: US hit Canada with escalating tariffs (up to 50% now on steel/aluminum/dairy/autos), often using shaky legal authority the Supreme Court partly struck down, Canada retaliated dollar-for-dollar, and even fully CUSMA-compliant goods (i.e., trade that follows the treaty Trump himself signed) got hit anyway.

Straight answer: Canada's right, and I'd pick Canada.

The US isn't fighting over some real grievance — Canada isn't dumping goods or cheating on a deal. Trump's own USMCA/CUSMA governs this trade, and the US blew through it anyway, using emergency powers courts called illegal, hitting even fully compliant goods. That's not a trade dispute, that's a bully move against your closest ally and biggest energy supplier over vague, shifting justifications (fentanyl, "unfair" deficits, forced labor pretexts that don't hold up). Canada's response — matched retaliation, no more, no less — is the textbook proportionate reaction.

If someone tears up an agreement they wrote, the other side isn't the problem. This is Washington manufacturing a fight, and Ottawa defending itself.

:)

Long Drink's avatar

Well done SRO...

Long Drink's avatar

Fred... great job ! 👏 you're a thinking man ...restacking and sharing ... THANK YOU

Ginny's avatar

Interesting response.

Jerry's avatar

You created an AI monster in me, Fred!! I decided to ask Perplexity the same question, and Canada once again prevailed. Here's what Perplexity said:

"Alright, here’s the blunt take: Canada’s in the right, and I’d pick Canada’s side.

The U.S. started this by slapping broad tariffs on Canadian steel, aluminum, autos, and dairy starting in early 2025, then escalated to 50% levies on about $20 billion of Canadian goods in August 2026 after talks collapsed. Canada’s response has been calibrated and proportional—“dollar-for-dollar” counter-tariffs on roughly the same value of U.S. goods, targeting similar sectors (steel, aluminum, dairy, wood products) rather than going nuclear on everything.

Economically, the U.S. is the bigger player and can absorb more pain, but it’s also the aggressor here, using protectionism that violates the spirit (and arguably the letter) of USMCA. Canada’s moves are defensive, aimed at preserving leverage without torching the relationship. Politically, Trump’s rhetoric (like calling Canada one of the “worst abusers” and even floating renaming Lake Ontario) looks more like domestic posturing than serious trade policy."

The three AI-generated responses certainly show the different writing styles while concluding that Canada is on the right side of history. Elbows Up, and Yay AI.

Kathy's avatar

Thanks Fred. I need to learn more about AI. This is a good start.

Frank Kuma's avatar

Interesting outcome Fred. I use some A.I. but not as extensively as you. You've inspired me to dive in a bit deeper. Like you, I can never learn enough or know enough.

Jerry's avatar

What an outstanding article, Fred. It showed me that I wasn't inputting my queries most appropriately.

I decided to copy your query so that I could see what Google Gemini would answer. Again, Canada's side was picked. And by a bot whose parent company, Alphabet, decided to follow Trump's renaming of Lake Ontario to Lake America for US Google Maps users.

Gemini said, "economic fundamentals show that Canada holds the stronger, more defensible position."

Here's Gemini's full response:

When analyzing the current escalation in the US–Canada trade dispute—where the US imposed 50% duties, and Canada matched them with dollar-for-dollar retaliatory tariffs—economic fundamentals show that Canada holds the stronger, more defensible position. From an economic and trade law standpoint, aggressive 50% sweeping tariffs violate the spirit and framework of integrated cross-border supply chains established under agreements like the CUSMA/USMCA. While the US administration framed its tariffs around leverage, border security, or domestic manufacturing protection, applying massive duties to its closest trading ally destabilizes critical integrated sectors like auto manufacturing, energy, and agriculture, driving up costs for American consumers and businesses. Canada’s retaliatory response, while painful for both economies, aligns with standard international trade protocol: responding proportionally to defend domestic industries from unilateral barriers. Bluntly put, coercive trade tactics against a deeply integrated partner backfire economically, making the defense of established, rules-based free trade the sounder position.

I'm an 83 y.o. "geezer" who's still learning, but types with only one finger!

I'm delighted with the conclusions from both ChatGPT and Google Gemini. I'm also delighted in your tips on how to improve my interactions with AI.

Here's a thought: I wonder if FOX News had an AI bot, how would it respond???

Bev's avatar

Comparison s a whole nother dimension with my robots s smarter than your robot bound to be a future consideration. Unless they re colluding to dominate us…….

Carol-Ann Lamothe's avatar

AI has helped me a great deal too. I ask straight questions and have received incredible assistance.

I really enjoy using it. I used it to get the best advice in doing projects around my house. It has

worked out surprisingly well.

Thanks, Fred.

From one old geezer to another old geezer!!

Brad Odsen, KC's avatar

So, seeing others asking the same question of AI systems, led to me to, I wonder what Grok has to say? And here it is:

Trump started this mess in 2025 with broad tariffs on Canada over exaggerated border and fentanyl claims, then piled on steel, aluminum, autos, and lumber hits. Canada's dairy supply management and some alcohol/auto pushback were long-standing irritants, but the big escalation and Section 338 50% tariffs this summer were pure US leverage plays after Canada matched earlier rounds. Talks collapsed because the final US demands were one-sided and unreliable.Canada is right. They responded proportionally to protect their industries after the US broke the integrated North American setup it helped build. Tariffs raise prices on both sides and screw integrated supply chains, but the initiator owns the damage. The US has the size advantage and is using it like a bully against a dependent neighbor.I'd pick Canada's side: stand firm, retaliate dollar-for-dollar, and force better terms or diversify.

Interesting, Yes?

Cath Millage's avatar

Interesting! And fun! ❤️🇨🇦

Brad Odsen, KC's avatar

Interesting indeed. I just did the same as SouthRockOcean, using Microsoft Copilot. Here's the answer I got from it:

Short version: the U.S. is mostly in the wrong here, and I’d pick Canada’s side.

Trump’s 50% tariffs on a slice of Canadian exports are classic political theater—legally aggressive, economically marginal, and strategically dumb. They’re not about real national security or catastrophic unfairness; they’re about leverage, optics, and feeding a base that likes trade wars as a vibe, not a policy.

Canada’s response—dollar‑for‑dollar retaliation, targeted counter‑tariffs, and suspension of talks—is exactly what you do when a larger partner starts swinging a hammer for domestic politics. It’s defensive, proportionate, and aimed at preserving negotiating credibility, not blowing up the relationship.

Are both sides playing politics? Absolutely. But the U.S. lit the fire and keeps moving the goalposts; Canada is reacting within the normal playbook of a middle power trying not to get steamrolled.

So if I have to choose: Canada’s position is more rational, more defensible, and less reckless.

When you described your relationship that has developed with ChatGP, Fred, I was going to point out that the response you got could be at least somewhat reflective of sycophantic AI that has come to know you very well.

But I rarely use Copilot, and when I do, it's not for social/political questions, so I really doubt it has enough experience with me to have developed a sycophanic response when I use it. Having said that, I do know that every time I write something in MS Word, it is monitoring and offering grammatical recommendations. So maybe that's sufficient. The other thing I wonder is whether AI would produce the same answer if the writer asking the question was in the US. It does know the IP address of the device on which the query originated.

Bev's avatar

GIGO. It s a concept from back in our day, still valid. It needs more Canadian perspective though, out in the wild. Eg we need to address dairy issues better. I will never knowingly use American milk with its hormones and now missing regulations. Never mind thevalue of our system for farmers. And we usually just explain it s complicated wo detail so Chatty doesnt know. Preponderanceof evidence addresses american grievance. Good conclusion anyway.