If they didn’t see that coming with Pollievre as leader, they should get OUT of Politics altogether….LET THE NDP COME BACK….reasonable, Canadian Focused ! Centred on Canada - the Conservatives are getting just what they deserve with their American style politics that nauseate all of us but nauseate their own people tooo !
The party calling itself the Conservative Party of Canada, needs to be dissolved, because it ISN’T a Conservative Party at all!
It is the REFORM party operating under the name of Conservative to hide all the extremism that the Reformers were all about! (Thank you Harper).
When it became obvious that outside of the Prairie provinces, Canadian voters were NOT going to vote them into office, even after they changed their name to the Canadian Alliance, they started a “Unite the Right” movement which culminated in merging the Progressive Conservative with the Alliance. And that has changed the entire structure of the party. Now most of it’s ideology is based on the same ideology that Trump and the Republicans have been using for the last 20 years, and that does NOT sit well with those who identify as PROGRESSIVE Conservatives!
The party needs to split apart and return to their roots. If your ideology can’t get you elected then you either need to change your ideology or split the party. Having more parties and more choice is always better and I’m sure a lot of actual progressive conservatives would be more than happy to have their party back, and the Reformers can keep trying to convince voters that extremist right wing ideology is better than what we currently have. Somehow I HIGHLY doubt they’d manage more than a couple of MPs, if they’re lucky!
Excellent points. I remember very clearly when the Reform Party joined with the conservatives. I wondered then and I still wonder how on earth they were going to be a unified party which such wide variance in their beliefs.
However, as part of my job, I was invited to a conservative meeting that Harper was at. I know, after listening to him why so many people were voting for him.
But PP is not Harper, does not have the wherewithal to lead Canada as he can barely lead his own party.
It’s as you say I think Pierre is finding himself more and more in that uncomfortable position where he’s gonna have to make a political sacrifice, the only question is who is he willing to sacrifice; the hardliners or the moderates
If he moves toward the centre, he risks losing the base that gave him internal party power.
If he leans harder into the base, he risks losing the voters you actually need to win a national election.
Those two audiences are not the same anymore.
History shows parties usually choose one direction... and accept the casualties. The interesting question now is whether Conservatives recognize the fork in the road soon enough to adjust.
Politics gets real when math collides with ideology.
We have the same situation here in the UK. The same playbook is being utilised throughout Europe with some tweaks to adjust for individual "national interests" and of course, our varying histories. Reform, Turning Point, right-wing "think tanks", likely even (covertly) the Green Party - to split the vote - all funded by so-called US philanthropists (tax deductible, of course).
Fred, where about are you in Canada. I moved from the Detroit area to the Sacramento area of California - Folsom, to be exact. We are seeing the same thing in our federal government - especially in the House of Representatives. As of today, the House has 218 Republicans, 214 Democrats & 3 vacant seats with a very weak MAGA Speaker of the House.
I hope California is treating you well Sherry… that’s a big climate upgrade from Detroit! I’m also on the west coast. I live on Vancouver Island BC (Mid-Island, Nanaimo, Harbour City)
One of the things I find fascinating is how similar the political dynamics are becoming between our two countries, even though the systems are different.
I pay real close attention to U.S. politics… always have. For different reasons I loved all of your Presidents except Nixon and Trump.
What you’ve got in the House is a good example of our situation. Razor-thin margins mean leadership strength matters even more, because a handful of people can shift the balance of power.
Politics used to be more predictable. Now it feels like everything is running on narrow edges.
Sadly, I can't join Canada Strong, Fred, because some "bar steward" got me banned from FB last year and I wasn't prepared to upload my passport page and video my face from all angles just to rejoin that cesspool of disinformation and identity theft. And I'm British. Pleased to see renewed ties between our PM and yours though.
Ahh… that makes total sense Juliette. I wouldn’t be handing over passport scans and facial videos either... not worth it for any social platform, let alone one that’s already tested your patience once.
The good news is the “Canada Strong” spirit isn’t limited to Facebook anyway. It’s bigger than any one platform. It’s really about people paying attention, supporting each other, and pushing back against nonsense... and you’re clearly doing that already.
And yes… the renewed Canada-UK cooperation is encouraging. There’s a long history there, but it feels like it’s getting practical again, not just ceremonial. In times like these, steady partnerships matter.
If they didn’t see that coming with Pollievre as leader, they should get OUT of Politics altogether….LET THE NDP COME BACK….reasonable, Canadian Focused ! Centred on Canada - the Conservatives are getting just what they deserve with their American style politics that nauseate all of us but nauseate their own people tooo !
The party calling itself the Conservative Party of Canada, needs to be dissolved, because it ISN’T a Conservative Party at all!
It is the REFORM party operating under the name of Conservative to hide all the extremism that the Reformers were all about! (Thank you Harper).
When it became obvious that outside of the Prairie provinces, Canadian voters were NOT going to vote them into office, even after they changed their name to the Canadian Alliance, they started a “Unite the Right” movement which culminated in merging the Progressive Conservative with the Alliance. And that has changed the entire structure of the party. Now most of it’s ideology is based on the same ideology that Trump and the Republicans have been using for the last 20 years, and that does NOT sit well with those who identify as PROGRESSIVE Conservatives!
The party needs to split apart and return to their roots. If your ideology can’t get you elected then you either need to change your ideology or split the party. Having more parties and more choice is always better and I’m sure a lot of actual progressive conservatives would be more than happy to have their party back, and the Reformers can keep trying to convince voters that extremist right wing ideology is better than what we currently have. Somehow I HIGHLY doubt they’d manage more than a couple of MPs, if they’re lucky!
Excellent points. I remember very clearly when the Reform Party joined with the conservatives. I wondered then and I still wonder how on earth they were going to be a unified party which such wide variance in their beliefs.
However, as part of my job, I was invited to a conservative meeting that Harper was at. I know, after listening to him why so many people were voting for him.
But PP is not Harper, does not have the wherewithal to lead Canada as he can barely lead his own party.
It’s as you say I think Pierre is finding himself more and more in that uncomfortable position where he’s gonna have to make a political sacrifice, the only question is who is he willing to sacrifice; the hardliners or the moderates
That’s exactly the dilemma Kyle.
If he moves toward the centre, he risks losing the base that gave him internal party power.
If he leans harder into the base, he risks losing the voters you actually need to win a national election.
Those two audiences are not the same anymore.
History shows parties usually choose one direction... and accept the casualties. The interesting question now is whether Conservatives recognize the fork in the road soon enough to adjust.
Politics gets real when math collides with ideology.
We have the same situation here in the UK. The same playbook is being utilised throughout Europe with some tweaks to adjust for individual "national interests" and of course, our varying histories. Reform, Turning Point, right-wing "think tanks", likely even (covertly) the Green Party - to split the vote - all funded by so-called US philanthropists (tax deductible, of course).
Fred, where about are you in Canada. I moved from the Detroit area to the Sacramento area of California - Folsom, to be exact. We are seeing the same thing in our federal government - especially in the House of Representatives. As of today, the House has 218 Republicans, 214 Democrats & 3 vacant seats with a very weak MAGA Speaker of the House.
I hope California is treating you well Sherry… that’s a big climate upgrade from Detroit! I’m also on the west coast. I live on Vancouver Island BC (Mid-Island, Nanaimo, Harbour City)
One of the things I find fascinating is how similar the political dynamics are becoming between our two countries, even though the systems are different.
I pay real close attention to U.S. politics… always have. For different reasons I loved all of your Presidents except Nixon and Trump.
What you’ve got in the House is a good example of our situation. Razor-thin margins mean leadership strength matters even more, because a handful of people can shift the balance of power.
Politics used to be more predictable. Now it feels like everything is running on narrow edges.
I think it's the tumultuous times we're living in that is causing this wire thin line.
Sadly, I can't join Canada Strong, Fred, because some "bar steward" got me banned from FB last year and I wasn't prepared to upload my passport page and video my face from all angles just to rejoin that cesspool of disinformation and identity theft. And I'm British. Pleased to see renewed ties between our PM and yours though.
Ahh… that makes total sense Juliette. I wouldn’t be handing over passport scans and facial videos either... not worth it for any social platform, let alone one that’s already tested your patience once.
The good news is the “Canada Strong” spirit isn’t limited to Facebook anyway. It’s bigger than any one platform. It’s really about people paying attention, supporting each other, and pushing back against nonsense... and you’re clearly doing that already.
And yes… the renewed Canada-UK cooperation is encouraging. There’s a long history there, but it feels like it’s getting practical again, not just ceremonial. In times like these, steady partnerships matter.
Glad you’re here, Juliette. 🇨🇦🤝🇬🇧
Thank you, Fred, I'm happy to be here.
Try YouTube for Charlie Angus as he is on there
Thank you, Gail, I've signed up.