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Jim Veinot's avatar

It seems kind of natural, even tribal, that those who share origins and who have fought wars together go back-to-back in a perceived threat situation.

When I was in Bali at an outdoor beer garden, I approached a table of Aussies and asked if they would keep an eye on my stuff while I went to the loo. When they looked me over, I said "Oh, I'm from the northern colony!" They laughed with "Hey Canada! Have a pint with us when you come back!" I liked that.

Fred Ferguson (GeezerWise)'s avatar

Exactly Jim... there’s a cultural shorthand between those countries that’s hard to explain unless you’ve experienced it.

Shared history, similar institutions, same language… and yeah, a lot of standing shoulder-to-shoulder in some pretty ugly moments of history.

Your Bali story captures it perfectly. You don’t need a treaty to recognize familiarity... sometimes it’s just instinct.

The real question is whether that natural trust ever translates into actual policy… or just stays at the “have a pint with us” level.

Either way, it’s an interesting dynamic to watch.

Musings From Ignored Canada's avatar

Recently in Whistler. Instead of asking if the person serving me was a kipper, kiwi, or Oz I just asked what part of the Commonwealth they hailed from. It worked quite well.

Mike B.'s avatar

I was actually looking at the parliamentary records for this recently. You mentioned CANZUK is currently just an idea, but citizens keep trying to push it into the House of Commons. I found a recent official petition (basically a formal request citizens send to Ottawa) that gathered nearly 2,000 signatures demanding the government negotiate a pact. The government rarely acts on these petitions. Still, it proves ordinary Canadians are actively seeking this strategic insurance.

Fred Ferguson (GeezerWise)'s avatar

That’s the interesting part a lot of people don’t see.

CANZUK isn’t just a think-tank concept... citizens have actually been pushing it through formal parliamentary petitions.

I was looking at one recently that gathered close to 2,000 signatures asking Ottawa to at least explore negotiations.

Governments almost never act directly on petitions, but they do show public sentiment.

And in this case it tells us something important...

Some Canadians are actively looking for strategic diversification... not replacing our U.S. relationship, but adding insurance.

Whether CANZUK ever becomes real policy or not, the pressure isn’t coming from nowhere.

Northshore2025's avatar

I am so there for a formal support/trade/mutual assistance agreement between 4 of the 5 largest economies in the Commonwealth.

And I get that there will be a disparity of opinion on closer alignment. Whether you love tradition, or hate colonialism and its legacy among the CANZUK grouping, at this point in history the main motivator may simply be that in bad times, it's right to recruit good friends.

Fred Ferguson (GeezerWise)'s avatar

That’s a very fair way to frame it.

History carries baggage... no question... but geopolitics usually runs on interests and trust more than sentiment.

Countries don’t choose partners because the past was perfect. They choose them because the present feels reliable.

And your point about “bad times” is key.

When the global environment gets unstable, nations naturally look for partners they already understand... legally, culturally, and institutionally.

That reduces friction and risk.

Whether CANZUK ever formalizes or not, the instinct behind it makes sense... recruit friends you already know you can work with.

Mike Lowres RE 🇬🇧🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇷's avatar

CANZUK is four parts of five eyes and Uncle Sam is outside the circle of trust.

Fred Ferguson (GeezerWise)'s avatar

Interesting way to look at it Mike... although I’d frame it a bit differently.

The U.S. isn’t really “outside” the trust circle.

Five Eyes still exists, and the intelligence cooperation remains extremely deep.

What CANZUK conversations hint at isn’t exclusion... it’s redundancy.

Countries build backup relationships when they feel uncertainty rising.

It’s less about pushing America away and more about making sure you’re not dependent on only one pillar.

Even close allies diversify. That’s just strategic adulthood.

Mechanic of Statecraft's avatar

Speaking as an individual American, I have the utmost level of respect for the four countries mentioned in the above article. Having worked for the legislatures of two American states, forty-nine lawmaking bodies in this country have more in common with the UK parliament than they do with the Congress. But for the UK, there would be no US. It is more than language or culture; it is the distillation of values pertaining of the rule of law, the concepts of rights, especially property and contracts that has made the US prosperous.

If I had been president when the UK left the EU, the day after the election, I would have been on the phone with prime minister asking, "How do we build the future from here? How can the Commonwealth be revitalized to ensure a safe and prosperous planet?"

I am so sorry for the severe frustration and consternation that my country has caused you and the world. I hope, soon, Americans will see and admit the errors of our ways. Until then, please, both individually and nationally, do what you believe is morally right--and just. On such matters, no prejudice should ever be held against you.

Fred Ferguson (GeezerWise)'s avatar

That’s a generous and reflective perspective... thank you for sharing it.

Most people outside the U.S. don’t see Americans as the problem.

They see a complex country going through its own internal tensions, just like many others are right now.

The institutional foundations you mentioned... rule of law, contracts, rights... are exactly why cooperation between our countries has been so strong for generations.

And honestly, alliances between democracies tend to ebb and flow depending on leadership cycles, but the underlying relationships usually endure.

Respect runs both directions more than the headlines suggest.

Roxy Jones's avatar

💙🇨🇦 🚢 So blessed to have Carney at the helm during these dangerous times. He is our North Star 💫 with a perpetually crooked tie. 😏 Gr8! article thx.

Luc Fournier's avatar

Mark Carney is trying to build closer ties economically and militarily between member countries of the EU and TPP countries, CANZUK could fit within this grouping as well as other European countries not members of the EU, in particular the UK, Norway, and the Balkans.

Fred Ferguson (GeezerWise)'s avatar

That’s an interesting angle Luc... and you’re right that there’s a broader pattern emerging.

What we’re seeing globally isn’t one single alliance forming, but overlapping networks... EU partnerships, CPTPP trade relationships, NATO security ties, Five Eyes intelligence cooperation.

Countries are layering connections rather than choosing just one bloc.

CANZUK could theoretically sit inside that kind of network model... especially with the UK positioned between Europe and Commonwealth relationships.

Whether leaders explicitly frame it that way or not, the direction is clear... middle powers are building multiple partnerships to reduce vulnerability in an uncertain world.

Claire Larose's avatar

I love this grouping. I’ve been following the threads for a while

Fred Ferguson (GeezerWise)'s avatar

You’re definitely not alone Claire... there’s a quiet but persistent group of people who’ve been watching this idea for years.

What makes it interesting is that it sits right at the intersection of culture, economics, and geopolitics.

Familiar countries, but modern pressures pushing new conversations.

Whether it ever becomes formal policy or just stays an idea, it’s one of those developments worth keeping

Claire Larose's avatar

I think it would be a bonus for all of us as we are very similar. Saying this and I’m French. I think it needs to become a reality

Ginny's avatar

Love the concept.

Patsy Rideout's avatar

I believe most Canadians love those countries anyway, let's play hopscotch! haha I have friends in all of them :)

Fred Ferguson (GeezerWise)'s avatar

Haha... there’s definitely a comfort factor there Patsy.

A lot of Canadians feel an easy familiarity with those countries... similar humour, institutions, language, and day-to-day culture.

It doesn’t feel foreign in the same way other places might.

Your “hopscotch” line actually captures one of the core ideas behind CANZUK: making movement and connection between those countries simpler because the adjustment barrier is already low.

Friends scattered across the globe suddenly feels a lot closer.

Patsy Rideout's avatar

Absolutely Fred!!! I love your take on it. My friend, Ruby, in Australia would love it if I showed up for a month...only thing is....the huge spiders LOL But as you mentioned in an earlier post, something about things made easier for us to travel back & forth, or, even immigrate. I have a feeling Canada's population is gonna grow exponentially through all of this. Who wants to become a Kiwi?

The headspace of Benji's avatar

Couldn’t agree more. Even if it starts out as a CANZUK light- less friction on trade, ease of movement etc that’d a good first step

Jenny Kennedy's avatar

CANZUK is a much better way for Australia than the current AUKUS debacle.

Adrian Bussey's avatar

It’s a very sensible idea and should be workable.

M Gadget 48's avatar

Something worth start a serous conversation about.

Chris's avatar

Surely the UK can't be considered a stable "democracy"

It's merely a slo-mo version of the US

Starmer is in crisis and is more than eager to support a war once it has illegally started.

The data is already being collected

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/feb/23/palantir-deals-are-a-threat-to-our-data-rights-as-uk-citizens

And the media takeover is going well

"..90% of the UK-wide print media is owned and controlled by just three companies, Reach plc (formerly Trinity Mirror), News UK and DMG Media..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_media_in_the_United_Kingdom

Gayma is thè Gayster's avatar

CanZuk could be a great global leader if it lead from the platform of De-Colonize— it be creative Genuis n global leadership—but UK gonna have a learning curve …